American Legions Objections To VA Billing, For It In 2007

by: Colonel "Joe" USAR

Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 10:26:19 AM EDT


The issue of the VA seeking re-imbursement for treatment is now settled but I will say that the knee jerk reaction on the right and left was wrong for a multitude of reasons. In the end, the knee jerk reaction means that Veterans lose out in the end.

First, one has to realize that the VA has always had the policy of seeking medicare, medicaid and other private insurance information on enrollment. Historically, this has allowed the VA to seek re-imbursement for much of a Veterans care.

Earlier this month the American Legion came out against the proposed Administration policy of seeking additional revenue services;

WASHINGTON, March 16 PRNewswire-USNewswire -- The leader of the nation's largest veterans organization says he is "deeply disappointed and concerned" after a meeting with President Obama today to discuss a proposal to force private insurance companies to pay for the treatment of military veterans who have suffered service-connected disabilities and injuries. The Obama administration recently revealed a plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) in such cases.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/2...

Another fact that the public is largely unaware of is the fact that the Bush Administration slammed shut the opportunity to enroll in the VA system denying treatment for hundreds of thousands of Veterans that served their country;

In January 2003, the Bush Administration decided to cease new enrollments of "Priority 8" veterans, defined as those with no service-connected disability and an annual income, on average, no greater than $24,000. The President's budget would make this policy permanent. According to VA estimates, this decision will deny prescription drugs and other VA services to 522,000 veterans by the end of Fiscal Year 2005. The President's Task Force concluded that the "present uncertain access status and funding of Priority Group 8 veterans is unacceptable."

http://democrats.senate.gov/dp...

In 2007, the American Legion came out in support of the VA obtaining further re-imbursements from insurers;

If an increase in existing appropriations is the problem, then The American Legion strongly recommends looking to alternative revenue streams.

http://www.legion.org/document...

There was an opportunity to dramatically increase dollars for veterans care and it has been lost.

Veterans have been failed today both the left and right, as they usually are when partisan politics enters into the mix.

UPDATE: In a different diary I posed a question in the comments that is worthwhile for anyone to work through before making a decision on the merits of what Obama had proposed;

Imagine for a moment that you work as a lobbyist for a Veterans organization whose sole mission is get the most dollars to the VA Health Care System. Those are the "blinders" that you must wear.

Today, as we converse the VA does obtain third party re-imbursement for things like blood work and some prescriptions.

Do you support the VA stopping getting re-imbursement for these items?

Today, VA Health Care is not fully funded to provide care to ALL Veterans. Unlike the status quo in the year 2002, some veterans are excluded from VA Health Care today.

Do you support the VA policy in 2002 or the policy in 2008?

In the absence of additional funding from Congress, what should the VA do in order to get additional dollars to provide health care to Veterans?

Today, there are disabled service connected Veterans who are also on Medicare. Should the VA attempt to collect from Medicare? If no, why?

Today, there are disabled service connected Veterans who are also on Medicaid. Should the VA attempt to collect from Medicaid? If no, why?

Today, there are disabled service connected Veterans who are also on Retiree Tricare. Should the VA attempt to collect from Retiree Tricare? If no, why?

Today, there are disabled service connected Veterans who are also on Employee Federal Health Care Programs. Should the VA attempt to collect from these Employee Federal Health Care Programs? If no, why?

Today, there are disabled service connected Veterans who are also on Employee State Run Health Care Programs. Should the VA attempt to collect from these Employee State Run Health Care Programs? If no, why?

Remember, you need to answer these with the blinders of doing what is solely best for Veterans.

Colonel "Joe" USAR :: American Legions Objections To VA Billing, For It In 2007
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This Is The Point (4.00 / 1)
I kept making At Every Hyper Post about this issue, that was started by the winger boards and everyone else went viral after that!!!

But I don't see it as a loss as you put it Col. Joe, though it will be unless shit changes because the American Public refuses to completely pony up, my point was in trying to point out that those on the right have pushed this before and the VSO's, like the legion, have backed it.

Any and all funding and payments etc. should come directly from the VA Funded By The American People, the huge greater majority who  Don't Serve yet cheer war on, especially Wars of Choice!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson


I agree with you in principle but... (4.00 / 1)
the problem is that the American People have failed Veterans starting in 2003.

Remember up to 2003, ALL Veterans were treated equally with a guarantee of lifelong health care for your service.

But in 2003, Cat 8 Veterans had enrollment stopped. If you were already in the system you could stay but if you had not enrolled, too bad.

Remember, I am looking at this with "blinders on" in that I solely care about my fellow Veterans, nothing else.

The preferred solution is for the VA to receive 100% taxpayer funding with all Veterans receiving lifelong VA care when/if they want it.

But I realize that we may not get that preferred option so how do we get more funding to the VA?

This is a tool which would not cost the Veteran anything but would provide "alternative revenue streams."

I supported "alternative revenue streams" when the Legion asked for it in 2007. I still support it today. I am "blind" to the politics of it.

I want all Veterans to have VA eligibility as if it was 2002 again.


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One more point... (4.00 / 1)
My sole focus is the Veteran, every single one of them. I view all Veterans equally.

Get the money first, from any alternative source that causes no harm to the Veteran (real harm not hypothetical), then and only then worry about the "equity."


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Final point.... (0.00 / 0)
If the American People do not pony up....

If the VA can not get money from insurers....

Where does that leave our fellow Veterans?

To be honest, this is not really "my issue" because I will have Tri Care for retirees. The VA will not be needed for me. Most retirees are thrilled with the Tri care they get and do not bother with the VA.

But I do care about all my fellow Vets that decided not to hang around and do twenty years.

All I know is that when there is no additional tax money for the VA and there is no alternative revenue stream, our fellow Veterans are screwed and that is completely unacceptable to me.

The only thing acceptable to me is 100% VA eligibility for all Veterans, from discharge date until burial date.


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There (0.00 / 0)
Should Never be a need for an 'Alternative', the People of this Country are the Source, and you're Right, for ALL Veterans, we serve Country and Constitution not Any Ideology, if one is they shouldn't be serving!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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Oh (0.00 / 0)
And the Oath, much like most of the military training/ideals, stays with most who have served, again with No Ideology, just what that Oath States!!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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That's (0.00 / 0)
How it's written, not the Reality, but should be.

We've been fighting the same fights All todays Vets are going to, and they started while we were still in 'Nam to the present, alot of the fighters are now passed on.

I could give the examples, plenty, even the sit in's at VA hospitals and clinics, but won't.

Will say think the First Gulf War, and how little is said, up to recent, about Gulf War Syndrome, they fall into that window 'treated equally' and not only on the Syndrome but haven't been.


'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson


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Doh! (0.00 / 0)
....about this issue, that was started by the winger boards and everyone else went viral after that!!!

Funny.  I don't consider the opinions of 11 veterans groups and dozens of Democratic Senators and Representatives in Congress as "right wingers" that went blotto after hearing about this.

And, I'm sure we would like to see some "credible" evidence where VSOs and the American Legion have advocated the need for supplemental insurance paying for service-connected, or otherwise, payment for veterans' care.


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