Pakistani Militants Torch 160 U.S. and NATO Vehicles

Well (4.00 / 1)

we are going to have to do something about both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia pretty damn soon, if we really want to win. If we aren't going to do something about both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia soon, I don't really think we should be asking our men and women to be risking their lives in either Afghanistan or Iraq.

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by: FredUSMC @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 at 03:17:47 AM CST

I vote BUNS OUT... (0.00 / 0)

Winning at best is controlling the major cities. At the least is having a few air bases and a port that are 'safe'.

Curious about the Humvees. Are these MADE IN  Pakistan? We gave them the Tech and contract to build them?  Gotta think that they are built in Pak or they would have come in through Karachi.

O/T: Condi is yapping about  Pak-India 'stuff' a week after she proclaimed how much the Shrubbers have done for the ME and dissing Rummy. Talk about "NO creds Condi" and her mushroom shaped clouds.

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by: deMeme @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 at 05:36:51 AM CST

SoS Rice will do herself a great favor... (4.00 / 1)

and do wonders for her President hero's precious legacy if she would just stop talking...publically and privately and go quitely into the night, sooner rather than later.

It seems that the transition itself may be triggering some of what is happening here and God knows how much worse it will get if we don't get a vitual changing of the guard NOW...in some shape or form because I don't think we can wait until late January.

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by: Elizabeth Miller @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 at 06:27:55 AM CST

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My First Thought (0.00 / 0)

Was the same, and you have the pic above that I first saw.

The 'Highway of Death' was the first time I could remember Ever seeing our Military Totally Destroy a Retreating Military Force not setup to Fight Back!!

It not only was as you put it, the showing of what we would do in the future, the endzone dance of Superiority, It Was The Most Tragic Example Of Arrogance that Inflamed the Already Known Hatreds for our past policies in that region, Especially For Those Who Couldn't Stand Saddam even, It was the Example of what they had already been saying about us and all the proof needed to back up their rhetoric!!

You guys and gals have been fighting the kids, relatives, friends and strangers of those ripped apart in that sorry military example of strength, a Desert Shooting Gallery!!!!    

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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by: jimstaro @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 at 05:45:40 AM CST

2nd Peshawar attack... (4.00 / 1)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sou...

Some other stuff up at
http://www.atimes.com

1. NATO backing away from US "Pax Americana" plan not wanting to get into another struggle with Russia.

2. The effect of putting pressure on LeT [both military and humanitarian side], AQ in India and the reploying of troops to the Kashmir region.

Interestingly, The News the major English language news source from Pakistan is not covering this story.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/  

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by: deMeme @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 at 06:52:01 AM CST

The Pakistani military is showing here its inability, or just plain lack of desire (4.00 / 1)

to protect our supply routes.  Personally, I believe that a full withdrawal from Afghanistan would endanger American lives in the long run.  That being said we need to do two things.  One, select new supply routes.  Two, use our own military to hold them - regardless of where they are, and with force where necessary.

"No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided." - Barack Obama

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by: Chris LeJeune @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 at 12:34:21 PM CST

I can understand why the military is playing this down (0.00 / 0)

However, one can not escape the fact that a sustained military presence can not last very long without stable supply lines to support it.  If new ground supply lines can not be found to offset these losses then I suspect the military will move to the air.  Finding new ground supply lines may become more troublesome as well especially if the finding from a French think tank prove accurate:

Taliban Expanding Foothold in Afghanistan, Report Finds

WASHINGTON -- The Taliban have expanded their footprint in Afghanistan and now have a permanent presence in nearly three-quarters of the country, according to a new report.

The Paris-based International Council on Security and Development, a think tank that maintains full-time offices in Afghanistan, said the Taliban have spread across much of the country and are beginning to encircle the capital, Kabul.

The group said Taliban fighters have advanced out of southern Afghanistan, a region where they often hold de facto governing power, and carry out regular attacks in western and northwestern Afghanistan as well as in and around Kabul. Taliban forces can be found in 72% of Afghanistan, up from 54% a year earlier.

"While the international community's prospects in Afghanistan have never been bleaker, the Taliban has been experiencing a renaissance that has gained momentum since 2005," the report said. "The West is in genuine danger of losing Afghanistan."

http://online.wsj.com/article/...

"Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home."

Marcus Tullius Cicero 106 BC-43 BC

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by: mettycat @ Mon Dec 08, 2008 at 13:02:00 PM CST