Veterans Respond to General Clark's Comments

by: Brandon Friedman

Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 22:33:38 PM EDT


We've heard from the pundits, the "strategists," and the politicians all day long on Wesley Clark's recent comments.  

That said, I've been terribly disappointed by the Democratic "strategists" who've fallen all over themselves in order to talk about how sacred military service is--specifically John McCain's--and how awful General Wesley Clark's comments were, even though not one "strategist" that I've listened to today has ever served a minute in uniform.  These ignorant, knee-jerking consultants on TV have been in an apparent race to concede ultimate authority on military matters to John McCain and the Republican Party since Sunday night.  It's disgusting.  And these concessions have been so over-the-top destructive to our long-term plans for running the country, that I'm not even sure where to begin.

The bottom line is this: If Democrats tuck tail and run from Republicans in this instance, we run the risk of ceding authority on military issues to John McCain for the rest of the campaign.  Whether you like Clark or not, everyone has an interest in defending him vigorously in this case.  We cannot allow the Right and the media to get away with trashing the first guy to come out in prime time to slam McCain's military "expertise."  If our organizations don't defend Clark as being right in this case, we give in to the idea that Republicans are the parents in terms of national defense, and Democrats are the children--something those on the Right will be more than happy to reinforce.

This idea that we can't question someone's expertise on military matters simply because they served could very easily become the next "whoever is against the war is unpatriotic" mantra.  And that's not something I'm prepared to accept.  

That said, one group we really haven't heard much from today is the group that's actually served in Iraq and Afghanistan.  But that changes now.  

Here are a handful of the messages we've received at VoteVets.org since this morning.  Judge for yourselves what the troops who are left-of-center think about this whole deal.

General Clark was right.  Service as Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces is only one of the roles of a president.   General Clark did not attack Senator McCain's ability to be president, he simply pointed out that his military service does not inherently qualify him for that role.

Chris LeJeune
Salt Lake City, UT
Iraq Veteran
Army
2003-04

General Clark is right.  We should honor the service of any veteran who has suffered in war, but I don't think that in itself qualifies one to be the Commander-in-Chief.  And that's the point General Clark was making.  He wasn't attacking Senator McCain personally, and anyone who says otherwise is being disingenuous.

Patrick Almand
Dallas, TX
Iraq Veteran
Army
2004-05

General Clark is on point in his comments about Senator McCain.  There are many fine leaders in the military.  Some--like Senator McCain--have persevered through the most terrible of circumstances.  They are all heroes, but they do not necessarily possess the skills to lead the free world.  If Senator McCain really wants to show his Commander-in-Chief credentials, perhaps he should start advocating for a sound national security strategy, rather than marching in the proverbial formation of eight years of failed Bush administration policy.

Richard Smith
Huntsville, AL
Afghanistan Veteran
Army
2007-08

Combat veterans understand that General Clark did not denigrate Senator McCain's honorable service to this nation.  In fact, it's Senator McCain's lack of support for the troops--like his opposition to the new GI Bill until recently--which dishonors and dismisses the selfless sacrifices made by our brave men and women in uniform.  General Clark understands these things and is never hesitant to speak out about them.  General Clark has our back and I have his.

Ernesto Estrada
San Francisco, CA
Iraq Veteran
Marine Corps
2003

General Clark's criticism is accurate and well-founded.  No one is disputing the fact that Senator McCain served his nation with honor, and I am forever grateful for his sacrifice. That being said, the question at hand is whether the senator's military service alone qualifies him to serve as Commander-in-Chief. Despite Senator McCain's horrific experiences in Vietnam, during his tenure in the Senate, he has been a staunch advocate of the disastrous war in Iraq and the Bush administration's failed foreign policy. Senator McCain did not support the Webb-Hagel G.I. Bill or the dwell-time amendment, either of which would have reduced some measure of the emotional and financial stress on active duty service members and veterans.  General Clark was not attacking John McCain's military service--he was questioning whether he learned anything from that experience.

Casey Howard
Colorado Springs, CO
Iraq Veteran
Army
2005-06

In no way has General Clark questioned the honorable service or the patriotism of Captain McCain.  Rather, he questioned the judgment of Senator McCain who has foolishly endorsed the failed neo-conservative foreign policy of the Bush administration.

Peter Granato
Washington, DC
Iraq Veteran
Army
2003-04

General Clark needs to be making these comments.  Its the only way to get through the free pass the media is giving John McCain because of his honorable service as a POW.

Elliot Anderson
Las Vegas, NV
Afghanistan Veteran
Marine Corps
2004-05

General Clark and John McCain are both equally honorable patriots.  However, if we can't have an honest and open debate about policy and military experiences, then the significance of this campaign will be greatly diminished.  This is something on which John McCain has based his entire campaign and, therefore, General Clark was totally justified in pointing it out.

David Brignac
Baton Rouge, LA
Afghanistan Veteran
Army
2006-07

As a third-generation Army veteran, I've been fortunate to know many admirable men and women with service in the Armed Forces, but I'm also rational enough to understand that military service alone is not a qualification to be President of the United States .  Having the foresight to avoid unnecessary wars and the compassion to fund health care and education for returning veterans is also essential; unfortunately, Senator McCain seems to focus solely on sending troops to war while ignoring other problems facing our nation.  With American jobs going overseas, home values plummeting, and our nation's educational and health care programs under-funded, we need a national strategy focused on resolving our problems both home and abroad.  While John McCain's Veteran and POW status makes him a hero to me and many others, his background in no way qualifies him to tackle the challenges facing our country.

Aaron Bailey
Ann Arbor, MI
Afghanistan Veteran
Army
2007

To attack General Clark for stating what should be obvious -- that military service alone does not automatically qualify one to be Commander in Chief or President -- is ridiculous.  Some of our most successful presidents have not served in the armed forces.  President Bush did fly a plane in the military -- and his record as Commander-in-Chief has been disastrous.  While everyone should respect the service and sacrifice of John McCain (which General Clark did), this respect must not be a gag on honest questions or open debate.

Kayla Williams, Author of Love My Rifle More than You
Broadlands, VA
Iraq Veteran
Army
2003-04

General Clark's comments were taken completely out of context by the media.  He never questioned McCain's service to the nation.  He only repeated the words of the reporter asking the questions.  General Clark is one of the most qualified voices in the debate over U.S. foreign policy, and it would be a huge loss for the pro-military crowd if his voice were silenced over this nonsense.

Peter O'Brien
Boston, MA
Iraq and Afghanistan Veteran
Army
2001-03

General Clark is right. Gen. Clark has seen combat as a company commander in Vietnam as well as the commanding General in Kosovo.  If anyone knows that military service alone does not qualify one to be the President of the United States, General Clark is it.

Brian McGough
Broadlands, VA
Iraq, and Afghanistan Veteran
Army
2001-03

My fiance and I both served with the 1st Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault). He was infantry and served two tours in Iraq, I was a public affairs specialist (journalist, photographer).  Like many, we both saw a lot of death and destruction.  As a result, we are both strong opponents of Senator John McCain, as are many of our fellow veterans.  We were so relieved to see General Clark say publicly what so many of us who served in uniform have been thinking.  Not only do we fundamentally oppose Senator McCain's view on the war, but we are appalled by his constant commitment to voting against, or abstaining from voting, bills that would improve the welfare of service members and veterans.

No one disputes that Senator McCain served honorably in the Navy and is to be commended for his actions. He is truly an American war hero.  But these events occurred 40 years ago and the circumstances under which he served in Vietnam (both in the country and under military regulations) are very different from those faced by service members serving in Iraq and Afghanistan today.  Americans should be looking at his current record--and not lingering on his past one to see just how much he understands about this war and how committed he is to this country's troops.

Linsay Rousseau Burnett and Robert Huddleston
Clarksville, TN
Iraq Veterans
Army
2003-04 and 2005-06

General Wesley Clark is the leader of veterans in the progressive movement.  As such, he will defend himself and other, like-minded veterans will defend him--publicly.  All parties interested in having the support of the military support should take note.

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Serving as a commander of a flying unit qualifies McCain much more than being a Community Organizer qualifies Obama.

A commander is an executive and makes decisions that weigh on strategy, tactics, personnel, resource management, organizational leadership, etc., in a profession of arms.  Anyone who thinks this doesn't qualify him for the job, must also believe that Wesley Clark is not qualified.

I worked for ol' Wes in EUCOM 1997-1998...if you want to understand a paucity of leadership just review Wes' egocentricity in command.  
If you want specifics, read about Task Force Hawk...just one of Wes' many goofs. Luckily, this moron had Gen Michael Short to pull his butt out of a sling.

http://www.afa.org/magazine/Fe...
 

Vote for Vets --
John McCain is a vet, Obama is not.


Were you this supportive of John Kerry? (4.00 / 1)
After all - he served in Vietnam and Bush did not.  What about 37-year Marine veteran John Murtha?  Would he be a better president than Bush?  

Have you been to Iraq?  I have, as have most of those who post here.  We do not feel that we need permanent bases there (and the Iraq government agrees) or that we need to stay in Iraq for 100 years.  Unlike McCain we know the difference between Sunni and Shia, and we know there is no need to attack Iran right now.  For these reasons among many others, I do not support John McCain.

Having said that, you are correct that McCain has much more military experience that Obama, and is more suited for that role than Obama.  However, CIC is only one of the roles of president, and I do not feel that McCain is well rounded enough to fill all of those roles.  Do I think Obama is? - No.  He would not be my first pick for president (Jim Webb would be, though).  But in the choice between Obama and McCain, I would have to choose Obama.

Finally, there is no difference between Bush and McCain.  None.  McCain has voted right along for every policy Bush has supported, even when other republicans did not.  A vote for McCain is a vote for four more years of the same policies as the last eight - on immigration, the economy, and the wars.

Besides, if combat experience inherently qualifies someone as fit to be president, then I am qualified - and I wouldn't vote for me.

"No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided." - Barack Obama


[ Parent ]
Why do you hate America? (4.00 / 2)
Vote for Vets --
John McCain is a buddy fckr, Obama co-sponsored the new GI Bill



[ Parent ]
"Community Organizer"...good point. Think that Petreaus's plan (4.00 / 1)
has a cornerstone of making the Troops "Community Organizers".

As to your comment about Clark and "Task Force Hawks", it appears to me to support the "Burden of Command" that Clark comments refers to in 'making decisions' that have consequences at higher levels. McCain hasn't been in a position to make those kinds of decisions. That says that Clark speaks from personal knowledge of dealing with good or bad decisions.

Now, I'm just saying that "Community Organizer" compared to "I don't understand the Economy" has some strong pluses. The Economy is the #1 issue and it directly effects the Military.

 


[ Parent ]
Lacks Ticket Punches (4.00 / 3)
Captain John McCain (US Navy Retired) is running on his service. Just like the other John that ran on his service. Guess what? I am an equal opportunity guy on calling out someone when they run on their service.

I am the same pay grade that Senator McCain is so I have a good idea as to what you need to do in order to achieve that rank, at least in todays environment.

So when I look at McCain, my first and only question is if he was promoted to his rank because he was best qualified, fully qualified or neither.

His performance at the US Naval Academy was dismal.

His flight record was dismal.

He spent five years of his career rotting in Hanoi instead of serving in a qualifying position. I salute his ability to survive that ordeal as a human being. As a soldier, I look at those years being a career hole. Thats pretty cold but its the damn truth. Other men deserved promotion more than him because they were serving in positions or furthering their military education both of which are required to succesfully serve in the next grade.

"Serving" five years in Hanoi deserves sympathy as a human being and that is all.

When you look at the service record, with a big five year hole in it, it is very clear that he made it to O-6 out of sympathy or favoritism to an Admiral's son.

Every promotion in the military is built upon prior military education and successful serving in certain assignments.

If you do not have the military education you should never be promoted.

If you have not served in the qualifying assignments in the current grade, you should not be promoted.

People ridicule this as "ticket punching" but it is a system that works. Without a successful Battalion Command as an O-5, you should never be promoted to O-6. If you never served as an S-3 as an O-4, you should never be promoted to O-5. Each assignment builds on the previous assignment. If you are not a Staff College graduate, you should not be promoted to O-5. If you are not a War College graduate you should not make O-6.  Plus add in the need to have joint service training and serving in a non branch field to further prepare the Officer.

Yes, it is sad that McCain has a five year hole in his record. It is sad for himself as a human being. He is a better human being than myself having survived that ordeal. But thats all that it makes him, a better human being.

Wes Clark was right.  


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"Commander of the largest FLEET in the Navy".... (4.00 / 1)
I learned that last night from Bill Bennett on Anderson Cooper 360, CNN last night about McCain. His statement went unchallenged.  On the same program James Carvel did defend Clark. I'm sure Bennett got away with it because Carvel/AC didn't have the knowledge to 'correct' Bennett.

Every time I a post a link to the transcript my comment disappears into cyber space. Sorry.

Carvel noted that he personally had served 2 years as a Marine.

Bill Bennett is a regular CNN contributor of the 'best neo-con' variety. I can hardly tolerate him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...

This segment was introduced by Dana Bash [father-in-law is a top Rabbi in AIPAC] and she mentioned Sen. Harkin's previous statements in passing. In May Sen. Harkin [D-IA] had made a statement that since McCain grow up in a 'high ranking military household' had a very slanted view of the world. [Google: Harkin, McCain.   The HuffingtonPost link is good]

Sen. Harkin was my Senator for years. He was always a friend of the Vet, especially the disabled Vet including PTSD. Although I am no longer in IA, he has responded + when I have e-mailed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...


[ Parent ]
Standing with Gen. Clark (4.00 / 3)
Standing with General Clark in 2004 and still standing by him today

Standing by him then still standing by him today


I have seen the military from the inside (4.00 / 1)
since the pre-Berlin wall fall...arguably one of our most successful Presidents was Clinton, and he did so without having served.  That is not a requirement nor does it provide anyone with better judgement.  Comparing Clinton to Bush Sr., I will take Clinton.

Thank you very much.

Yes, I am the Queen...


AMEN (0.00 / 0)
And I didn't like Clinton at first, but gradually the right smears taught me to pay closer attention, to them and him, He Won Hands Down!!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

[ Parent ]
I have met Gen. Clark, (4.00 / 2)

both in uniform and in civilian life. I have a huge amount of respect for the General and I gladly stand by him.

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