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You don't understand, Fred. (0.00 / 0)
It's not a "Nazi comparison."  Law is 99% precedent, and this precedent was written into U.S. law by U.S. judges in the court at Nuremberg.  Forgive me if I don't remember the case name, but it exists.

I don't understand your last sentence, but it seems that you think you can compare not-so-bad torture and really-bad-torture and make a legal decision based on your necessarily uninformed opinion--as most of ours would be-- of what was done.

Allowing criminals to go free to avoid a "media circus"--which is up to the media after all--is your suggestion??  You think that courts and judges appointed, probably, by a Republican administration (or a moderate Democratic one) would be partisan? You don't think the crimes were partisan when they were committed?

My very last question--law, the Constitution.  Isn't this what you yourself fought (USMC?) to defend?????  

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Actually (0.00 / 0)
I read the Geneva Conventions and I can see where al Qaeda could be classified as either "unlawful combatants" or mercenaries, whom rate no such protections. AQ isn't exactly made up of American citizens either, so American law wasn't entirely relevant either. It has now been proven that such tactics do not work and cause more harm than good. Therefore they should be banned. But at the same end, do you think I am going to push for Al Qaeda to get the same Constitutional rights as American citizens? Absolutely not. As far as the legal argument goes, I am calling this partisan until I see evidence to say otherwise. Would those on the Left pushing for such an investigation be willing to pursue the enforcement of immigration laws in such a manner? Immigration laws are much more spelled out than the laws for AQ were back in 2002 and they are the law.  

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What "immigration laws" are you talking about? (0.00 / 0)
If you're alluding to whether or not Constitutional rights apply to non-citizens in the U.S., that one's been taken care of.  A 1908 Supreme Court decision said yes.
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I was alluding to (0.00 / 0)
the deportation of Illegal aliens and to the enforcement of immigration laws regarding the legality of immigrants in this country.  
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Fred, you're making the unfounded assumption (0.00 / 0)
that the detainees in Gitmo have some link to AQ. The greater majority of them have never had any link to any terrorist organization.  More than 85% of them were not captured by US troops, but were transferred to us by other countries for in exchange for monetary payoffs.  Yeah, they're not American citizens, but most of them have never seen Afghanistan, and don't speak Arabic.  Essentially, when we first started the detention center there we started paying anyone and everyone to send us supposed "terrorists".  We then kept them for years, waterboarded them, deprived them of sleep, and held them in confined boxes with insects poured over them.  All because their neighbor or tribal leader wanted the payoff.  

"No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided." - Barack Obama
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That's not entirely (0.00 / 0)
accurate. What you probably should have said was some of them had no links and/or were sold out for tribal payoffs. 66 percent were reportedly captured by Pakistani authorities in Pakistan, 20 percent were captured by Afghans, we caught 8 percent and other Coalition forces caught 3 percent. The majority of them were captured in Pakistan, then Afghanistan. Now, I can buy the fact that some of the Afghans/Pakis were sold out and/or were conscripts. On the other hand, how does that explain

http://www.swivel.com/data_set...

all those Arabs, especially the Saudis and Yemenis. These were Saudis in places they didn't exactly belong and the Saudi government never hands detainees to us, ever.  

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Just one thing: (0.00 / 0)
AMERICAN LAW IS RELEVANT WHEN IT'S AMERICAN ACTIONS THAT ARE BEING EXAMINED.

OR:  AMERICANS ARE GOVERNED BY AMERICAN LAW

OR:  AD INFINITUM

I think you should pull back a little and examine everything you write for consistency and rationality.

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Like I said (0.00 / 0)
Until those(mostly the Left) pushing hardest for this investigation prove that they really do care about enforcing the law vice using it for partisan gains, I am calling the push for prosecutions absolute bullshit. Besides, we already have a torture ban in place now. Any legal gray areas have been effectively cleared up and yes there were legal gray areas. I actually read them.  
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